Why You Shouldn’t Learn Japanese

Why You Shouldn’t Learn Japanese

Anyone with an interest in Japan should learn a little Japanese, I really believe.  Daily life is much better when you know a few key phrases:  Hello.  My name is.  Please.  May I?  No really, please.  Why not?  Oh come on, please.  You sure?  Last chance.  Well fine, be that way.  Sorry for causing a scene.  Even if I pay you?  No?  Hmph, well I didn’t want to anyway.

But when I say “a little” of the language, I mean it.  Beyond a handful of survival sentences, you should give a really good think to whether or not you want to continue learning Japanese.

So this is Phase II of the Japanese Rule of 7 Learn Yo’ Ass Some Japanese project.  Phase I was herePhase III?  Well, okay I haven’t written that yet.  Hey, what can I say, I’m lazy.  Anyway, where were we?  Oh yeah, Phase II.  The “selection” phase.  For this, you’re going to want to find yourself a really tall mountain.  The taller the better, preferably with a sturdy pine tree.  Climb to the mountaintop and sit there.  If there is a pine tree, then climb to the top of that and sit there instead.  Then stay there for exactly one week.  You should probably pack some sandwiches, now that I think about it, and maybe some beers too.  Just think how refreshing they’d be.  And while you’re there with your pine cones and sandwiches and beer, ask yourself:  Do I really want to study Japanese?  No, really.  Because here’s what it’s all about.

It’s Going to Take Time.  A Really Freaking Long Time

I want to tell the world that learning Japanese is easy and fun.  Because that would be great and the world would like that, and then I could sell the world some secret method that I dreamed up and I’d be rich and the world would be happy.  But on a scale of 1 to Hot-Tub-at-the-Playboy-Mansion, learning Japanese slots in somewhere between soldering together your own black-and-white TV and copying the Bible by hand while wearing a Medieval monk outfit.  Plus, it takes a long time.

Look, everyone thinks they can learn Japanese quickly, fueled in part, no doubt, by the number of websites claiming to help you do so if you buy their products.  But honestly, when I look at the very few people I actually know who’ve succeeded, it’s clear why.  They got up at 4 a.m. every morning to do speaking drills, or wrote 50,000 flash cards, or went to language school five hours a day.  Myself, I can honestly say I’ve spent at least 4,000 hours actively studying, and that’s not counting watching Japanese movies, singing karaoke, having conversations all day long in Japanese, and working in Japan.

Part of the problem lies with ever-loftier goals.  At first, I thought it would be enough just to master some survival phrases.  But every time I met someone, they asked me questions I couldn’t answer.  So I learned more, until I could finally have a conversation.  Then I wanted to have a longer, more interesting conversation, until eventually I realized what I really needed was to make myself understood in both speech and writing at roughly the same level I’m at in English.  In other words, even fluency wasn’t enough.  It’s a little bit like putting yourself through high school and college all over again, alone, in Japanese.

If I had to say how long it would take to get reasonably good at Japanese, I’d estimate a minimum of 3 to 7 years, and possibly much more, depending upon how much time you devote and how many advantages you bring to the table.

Safe Return Doubtful

Of the hundreds of people I’ve seen study Japanese over the years, only about ten succeeded in speaking the language with any level of competency.  The rest eventually stopped.  You might want to give some thought to undertaking a project with a higher dropout rate than that oShackletonf the Navy SEALs.  Just saying.

Of course, you can spend the years of your life any way you like, but it seems a shame to buy a cookbook, go to the store for eggs, flour and a cake pan, come home and mix up a batter, put it in the oven, and then half an hour later yank open the oven and throw the whole thing out the window.  In other words, either bake the cake or do not.  There is no try.  Pretty sure Yoda said that.

Most people seem to last about a year and a half.  They’re all balls-out at the start, and then after several months it dawns on them that it’s a much bigger task than they were led to believe.  So be aware of how long it’s going to take.  If you want to spend the years, you absolutely can do it.  But think about whether you want to spend a decade on Japanese before you set out.  Doing it halfway seems kind of a waste of time.

Opportunity Cost

This is a term economists use to make you feel bad about your behavior.  If you spent $10 on a delicious dinner, well, see there Ken, that’s $10 you could have invested in the stock market, and now you’d be rich and could have two delicious dinners.  That kind of stuff.

Studying Japanese takes some money, but more importantly, it takes time.  In the 3 to 7 years you spent learning Japanese, you could have learned to play the guitar, and now you’d be in a cool rock band and getting lots of sex.  Or you could have gone to the gym and now you’d have abs of steel, and get lots of sex.  Or gone back to college and had sex.  Contrary to what you might think, learning Japanese will not help you have sex in Japan.  At least not nearly as much as English will.  More on that in a minute.

The Payback

I don’t like the word “problem.”  I prefer “challenge.”  And one of the challenges—oh the hell with it—the problem with Japanese is that it’s pretty much only useful in Japan.  So how long are you going to be in Japan?  Let’s say you turn out to be some super prodigy kind of dude and learn Japanese in just two years.  Great, now I hate you.  Whatever.  If you stay in Japan for two years, then that’s 1:1 and maybe it was worth the time investment.  But what if it takes you five years to learn and you only stay for a year?  See what I’m saying?  I’ve known people who spent years learning Japanese and watching anime and reading manga and then once they got here . . . eh, it wasn’t as great as they thought it’d be, and they went home.  Open window, insert cake.

You Really Don’t Need Japanese

Of the roughly 20 countries I’ve been to, Japan is probably the most set up to accommodate people who don’t speak the local language.  Many foreigners live here with no more than a handful of simple phrases and do just fine.  Lots of signs and menus are in English, and the entire population has received at least six years of English education.  Even if you try to speak Japanese, it may not work.  Sometimes no matter how perfectly you ask a question in Japanese, you’ll get an answer in English, or at least dumbed-down Japanese.  Contrary to many countries that demand you speak the local language, Japan sometimes seems to prefer you don’t speak Japanese.

Japanese can Make you Less Popular

You know David Blaine, the magician guy?  Think about like him at a party.  People see him and they just wig out, like, Wow, David Blaine!  Do some card tricks or hold your breath for ten minutes or something!  And he’s like, Nah, I just want to drink a beer like everybody else.  That would suck, right?  You’d be like, I went to a party with stupid David Blaine and he didn’t even levitate or anything.

Well that’s you in Japan, unless you look super Japanese, and then people will be confused until they figure out you’re secretly white.  Your magic trick is that you can speak English.  That’s what everyone wants you to do.  And every time you do it, and tell them about how big the cheeseburgers are back home and how people wear shoes inside the house, their eyes will light up and they’ll be like, Wow, amazing!

And every time you speak Japanese, people will say, “Oh, your Japanese is so good.”  And then they’ll try to speak English with you.  You can say the most profound thing ever in Japanese, make the funniest joke, talk about the earth being taken over by space robots, whatever—and all you’ll get back is “Heeeeey.”  But say any stupid thing off the top of your head in English and everybody will bust up laughing.  English is a pretty upbeat language; Japanese, eh, not so much.  And when it comes to meeting people of the opposite sex, and potentially even having that sex, well, they don’t want you to be like everybody else.  They want the magic.  Just saying.

Japan Isn’t all That

If you came to Japan for a vacation, you probably had a pretty mind-blowing time.  Everything was new, and everything was interesting.  But it was also, in a sense, free, because you used money you’d saved up or you credit-carded it or something.  Either way, you didn’t have to work in Japan in exchange for the experience you were having.

But once you live and work here, that changes.  You can go clubbing, take trips to onsen, hang out all night in karaoke booths, but you have to work in order to make those things possible.  And the more fun you want to have, the more you have to work.  That realization changes the equation.  It’s not fun for free once you live here.

Now, I like Japan, don’t get me wrong.  And I like conversing in Japanese, and reading and writing it.  But Japan’s still just a place, with plenty of both good and bad.  That’s why it’s called Japan, and not Heaven.  The architecture—mmm, it’s not so great.  The natural scenery—yeah, that’s not so great either.  The people—ah jeez, well, you get the idea.  But hey, at least the food’s good.  That’s something.

Choose Wisely

So if you’ve never wanted to learn Japanese, here’s your big chance to do absolutely butt nothing.  On the other hand, if you still really, really want to study Japanese, and make it a significant part of your life’s work, then I’m 100 percent behind you.  Well, maybe like 90, but that’s pretty good anyway.  So it’s probably safe to come down out of the tree now and continue on to Phase III.  I mean, as soon as I write it.  Okay, maybe you better stay up there a bit longer.

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  1. You raise so many good points, Ken. I know exactly what you mean about the “ever-loftier” goals thing. Since I only started learning Japanese last year, I’m at the stage of mastering survival phrases, but in the process of trying out those survival phrases with Japanese friends, I feel myself getting sucked deeper into the learn-more-Japanese vortex.

    You know since I got the job in Japan, a lot of my friends are asking me, “Why Japan?”. I can’t even explain why I’m drawn to Japan – I mean, there’s the amazing food and crazy vending machines, but when it comes down to it, all I know is that it’s the one place in the world I really want to experience.

    I don’t even know how far I want to take my Japanese learning. I’m pretty sure I don’t want to become a sensei, but I definitely don’t want to only be able to say basic stuff. I guess my vague aim is to able to watch live-action/anime and read manga without translations, and to hold a conversation with friends?

    Think I’ll just take it slow and figure it out along the way! And out of curiosity, when you decided on Japan, did you have an answer to my friends’ questions: “Why Japan?”

    • Before I moved here, I’d visited a number of times, and my basic impression was, This place is awesome! Everything was crazy. People were everywhere, I couldn’t read anything, I couldn’t figure out what the hell was going on, it was like being at Disneyland on acid. I loved it. So that’s what I told people.

      Moving to Japan felt like being born again. I had to learn everything from scratch all over again. Not just how to communicate, but even how to walk, how to gesture, how to use the toilet. That was a great time. Everybody likes that part about Japan. At least, anybody who enjoys adventure and new experiences. Okay, so that’s not everybody. But it was me.

      The challenge is after all that wears off. It’ll probably take a couple of years to go away if you really immerse yourself in the culture and figure out what’s really going on. Some people don’t though; they just stay in the gaijin bubble, and they’re probably happier. But if you really want to learn about Japan, then of course you’ll see the not-so-good parts too, and how they relate to the good parts. That circular nature of pluses and minuses in the culture is what’s really interesting to me. But don’t worry about any that at first. For now, just get over here with an open mind and enjoy the good stuff.

      • Yeah, I think the craziness of Japan is definitely a draw-card, though that in itself seems a bit of a crazy reason sometimes. I love the contradictions Japan has in its culture.

        But I agree, if you stick around long enough, you’ll see parts that are not-so-good. I think that’s the challenge of every country – like you said, it’s called Japan, not Heaven.

  2. Number of sovereign countries where Spanish is the de jure or de facto official language: 21

    Number of sovereign countries where French is the de jure or de facto official language: 29

    Number of sovereign countries where Arabic is the de jure or de facto official language: 24

    Not to mention English, which not only is an official or de defacto language in like 65 countries, but is also the de facto language of business, academia, and travel worldwide.

    And now let’s take a look at Japanese:

    Number of sovereign countries where Japanese is the de jure or de facto official language: …one

    I mean, it’s a cool language, but is it worth the effort for most people? I’d much rather be studying Spanish. And thank God I was born in an English speaking country.

    That said, I’ve been here a year and probably have 3 more in front of me so… eh, why not. I guess. Maybe you’re right, maybe I ought to learn to play the guitar and get dem ladies.

    • Yeah, a couple of things to think about. One is where you want to spend your time. You could get a Master’s degree in two years, and that’s way more useful than Japanese—especially in Japan. Plus it’s way easier than studying Japanese, because, uh, your studies are all in English.

      The other thing is, even if you learned more Japanese, it wouldn’t necessarily ensure you’d have a better time here. Some things will be better, for sure, but some things, amazingly, will be worse. That’s kind of the irony of learning Japanese.

      • Here’s the thing. I’m only in Japan because I just so happened to be dating a Japanese girl my last few months at uni and after a year of travel I quite honestly had nothing better to do than move here. I literally just showed up with a resume and hoped for the best. I’ve no great love of the land or its culture, but I don’t have much against it either. Japan’s a cool place, and I could do much worse.

        I decided when I moved here that I’d pick up the language. I spent the first two-thirds of my life in a small town (I’m talking 1500 people) where the general goal in life is to double your body weight immediately after high school and then produce as many offspring as possible. Learning something as esoteric as Japanese is just about the antithesis of everything I was raised on. I mean it’s study a useless language or get a degree in something like philosophy… but I’ve already done that!

        A master’s isn’t a bad idea, but I’m already going back to school after I wrap things up here. I’m going to be pursuing a terminal degree, and an ancillary MA wouldn’t really do much for me.

        There’s probably a couple dozen more worthwhile hobbies than studying Japanese, but in the six or so months since I’ve started seriously studying it’s been nothing but helpful. I’m trapped in a tiny room with Japanese kids five hours a day, and without any Japanese they’d eat me alive. Literally, some of them bite.

        I don’t know. It just feels like a waste to spend half a decade here and not pick up the language, even if that language will do next to nothing for me once I leave the country. Part of this I’m sure has to do with my location. I’d probably be much less inclined to study were I in Tokyo or a larger school district with a lot of gaijin friends. But It’s just me out in the sticks and if I don’t speak Japanese there’s no point speaking — beyond “Hello!” everyone here goes wide-eyed at English or even at white skin. Japanese are generally happiest when white people are doing white things, but I’m tired of being a one-trick pony. I’m also tired of having my girlfriend walk me through the simplest of things as if I were a child.

        But I still might be better off learning guitar. “I’m sorry officer, I don’t understand why you’ve pulled me over, but here–let me sing you a song!” Probably more useful than 日本語。

        • So, you came from a small town overseas . . . and now you live in a small town in Japan. Hmmm. So it’s like same rice field, different country?

          Yeah, I know what it’s like to be trapped in a room with Japanese kids. I’ve done that job, and it’s like trying to herd cats. Speaking Japanese is super helpful.

          Studying Japanese is certainly interesting, and I enjoy it. The key is, I think, to make sure you get out of it what you invest in, since it’s pretty time consuming. But if you’re gonna do it, more power to you. I support you. A full ninety percent.

          • Well, I talk about living in the sticks, but at the end of the day there’s roughly a million people living within a 25km radius of me. Gunma isn’t Tokyo or Chiba or Yokohama, but it sure as hell isn’t rural Pennsylvania either. I do want to spend my last year in Tokyo (or maybe Kyushu, can’t beat the weather), but for now I know I’ll never find a job that pays me this much for “working” five hours a day. I might party harder in Tokyo, but I’ll sure as hell work harder and spend more to do it.

            Anyway, yeah, opportunity cost is something everybody really ought to consider with …well, basically anything they invest themselves in. Especially something as time-intensive as language learning. But if all goes well at the bare minimum I’ll be able to claim literacy in what for most of the world is literally an alien language. That makes me cool, right? Surely the ladies will be impressed. Or the neck-beards living knee-deep in anime paraphernalia in their parent’s basements. One of the two.

          • That’s the funny thing about Japan, right? Even in a place that’s super remote, there’s always a million people. I don’t understand it.

            Yeah, teaching kids is an easy gig, really. You just hang out, speak a little Japanese, a little English, then go home. Not the most rewarding job on the planet, but you could do a sight worse.

        • Hey Randy, I’ve been here nearly 23 years. Got married to a Japanese woman with a good job, which has made it extremely difficult to move back. My advice is do NOT spend a decade here. In fact, if possible, do not spend five years here. It gets more and more difficult to move back after 5 or 10 years. After 15 years, people in the U.S. will think you are an alien from outer space. ‘How will you readjust to working in the U.S.?’ Think about it. They would not be able to ask such a question to a Chinese or Japanese or Hispanic with the right to work in the U.S. because it would be discrimination. But if you are white, you are open game. And another thing to think about is, while you are living in Japan, employers will treat you as a short-term hire, so they have no incentive to encourage you to learn skills for the future. Every year you stay in Japan, you will fall behind. It is a sinkhole. Don’t get stuck.

          • I sometimes hear things like this from people who’ve been here a long time. It’s not always easy to move back, especially if your spouse has a good job here or wouldn’t be able to get a decent job in your home country. It’s hard enough to uproot and look for work if you’re single, but with a wife and/or children depending on you, that’s a formidable challenge. Good stuff to think about before committing to a long-term stay in Japan.

  3. I generally agree with you. I can’t really say that learning Japanese helped me along that much. I did have one job were Japanese was absolutely necessary, but it was also the worst paid job I ever had. Okay, no, just remembered that I had three others, but they were only one months and two weeks, but very well paid, so maybe not that bad after all… hm.

    Now I basically use it only when on vacation in Japan, but hey, it works. I like to travel to places within Japan with all that natural scenic beauty that no one seems to know about and as those places are mostly remote talking Japanese comes in handy. I regularly get invited to food as well as it seems that I absolutely HAVE to try that local specialty (and no, I’m certainly no looker and make no secret of being in a relationship). No idea if that might happen more often if I spoke only English or less often, but I like getting the tour by locals and I doubt that most of them speak enough English (like you said, if they could, they’d probably prefer to try it on me).

    So was it worth it? I’d say yes. Maybe not for the money but for the experiences I’ve made thanks to speaking Japanese. Besides, I might squeeze some more use out of it until I die. Who says it couldn’t be really worth it in the long run.

    • No doubt being able to speak (and read) Japanese opens a lot of doors here. You couldn’t come close to understanding the place without it. So, like you, I’m thankful for that experience.

      On the other hand, I miss the blissful naivety of my first visits, when everyone seemed so polite and friendly.

      Like they say, You gotta be careful what you wish for. Or at least, I say that, all too often.

  4. So first of all nice article, I like how you were honest about it and didn’t hide it up or any of that junk. I found what you said interesting, I’m super determined to learn and I think a lot of people fail because they are either too passive (“Meh, I’ll just do a bit every day) or they don’t actually want to learn. Where as I want to learn it quite a lot so I’m pretty optimistic. I don’t really care if I don’t like Japan. I just find the language interesting so that’s another advantage I have.

    My friend learned Japanese in 4 years upto a JLPT 2 I think? He told me about his experience and about setting goals to help yourself improve, he also reads a lot of stuff in games or on TV.

    How long have you been learning Japanese Ken? I’m going to try and get as much done as possible before I go there so I set myself a goal of 5-6 years! That includes reading and writing though.

    • I’ve been at it for over 10 years, thanks for asking. I don’t remember the exact month I started, but I know I was younger, more handsome, and in better shape. Nah, I’m still pretty handsome. I just gotta get a new mirror. Anyway, in those 10 years, I can tell you I’ve missed exactly one day of studying. And by “studying” I mean reading, plus looking stuff up, then writing it down or typing it in, and reviewing it, which usually takes an hour or more a day. I don’t count watching TV, listening to the radio, or hanging out for hours in boozy izakayas talking with random drunk Japanese people, although all that stuff helps.

      5 to 6 years should do you right. Learning to read is essential, just like it is in English, of course. You’d have a hard time learning much if you couldn’t read. Writing, at least on the computer, should come rather naturally as a result of being able to read. Handwriting is another matter. Mine looks pretty terrible in any language. Thank God someone invented the keyboard.

      • 10 years! Wow, I can tell you’re determined! You’ve only missed one day of studying too? I assume you enjoy learning the language then.

        I remember reading before that you became fluent in the language a while ago but you realised fluency was based on context. Like informational “silos” a good analogy in my opinion. Are you much better now? I mean can you read things like magazines etc? Or do you only stick to more basic things?

        Bombarding you with questions as always haha. Thanks for replying either way man.

        • At this point, studying Japanese is so deeply ingrained in my daily routine that it’s hard to imagine not doing it. I don’t even know if I like it or not; it’s just what I do, like a religious ritual or something. Kind of weird, actually.

          As far as daily life goes, I’ve pretty much got the patterns all sussed out. I rarely encounter a situation where I’m surprised. For example, when I go to McDonald’s for an Egg McMuffin, I know what to expect when I walk up to the counter. The first thing they’re going to ask is the Japanese equivalent of “Will you be eating here, or is this to go?” Or if the person freaks out because I’m white, they’ll just look perplexed, point at the counter and say in Japanese, “Here? Here?” I know to expect that too.

          I can read most things, but it takes effort, unlike English, where it’s just cake. So I probably don’t read as much Japanese as I should, which makes it a vicious circle, since the more you read, the better you get at it. But eh, we do what we can, day by day.

          • That’s cool, I guess a large part of learning is having the time to learn and choosing what you yourself want to learn right? I mean what’s the point on getting really good at reading if you don’t want to? And patterns/routines are an important part of any language. Actually scratch that they’re an important part of pretty much everything ever.

          • Patterns and routines . . . absolutely. Anything you’re doing that builds upon itself is going to be helped along by having a solid routine, especially an esoteric language. You’re right on the money with that.

            “what’s the point on getting really good at reading if you don’t want to?”

            Well, just a quick note about that.

            If you can’t read, you’ll be confronted with a mailbox full of stuff that makes no sense. Every menu will be a series of squiggles, and every time you ride the train, all the colorful ads will be for things you can’t figure out. But if you can read, you’ll learn from everything around you, and your Japanese will improve tremendously.

            Not to mention that in your own study, you’ll need to write things down. Doing that in, say, only hiragana would quickly become a mess. For Japanese, you need kanji.

          • Sounds all reasonable enough. I think my endgoal would be high level reading.

  5. Hi Ken, thanks a lot for your great article. I have been studying Japanese for a while after living in Kanagawa for a year in 2005, and I guess what really attracts me to the language is that feeling of having to relearn EVERYTHING. As you put it, “Not just how to communicate, but even how to walk, how to gesture, how to use the toilet. That was a great time. Everybody likes that part about Japan.”. Feeling stupid is a great feeling.

    I’ve just come back from a trip to Kyushu where I am hoping to move to next year (I know a lot of people affected by this Japan nostalgia even years after they left, worryingly with a much greater frequency when comparing it with people in other countries), so I talked to some long term expats that I met during the trip. For several of them, the magic is inversely proportional to their language ability – after a while, it disappears and all you are left with is just another place with crazy bureaucracy and stinky dried squids. Since 99% of the blogs on Japan out there seem to be written by fresh-faced JETs that sound like bunnies on speed endlessly marvelling at high tech toilets and schoolgirl uniforms, can you shed some light on what Japan is like once the mystical halo around kanji characters disappears?

    • Thanks so much for your comment. Now there’s a freaking great question.

      Well, it’s now Golden Week. Or Golden Weekend. Since when is having Friday and Monday off a week? Whatever, that means that I’m slacking off even more than usual, if that’s even possible. It’s like a vacation from a vacation. Anyway, when I get back, I’ll write a full-on post about this.

  6. Don’t forget the fact that if you learn enough Spanish at work then they will expect you to take part in all the meetings and you’ll be append in all the boring rules and expectations of those places.. Much better to be ignorant, left out and free.

    • Yeah, something similar happens in Japan. The more of the language you speak, the more you’re expected to behave appropriately and do what everyone else does. Fortunately, perhaps, you’re considered such a “foreigner” in many workplaces that you’re not bound by the same rules. Maybe it’s discrimination, but eh, it’s kind of hard to complain when you leave the office four hours before everyone else.

  7. A few years ago I threw the Japanese cake out the window so hard that my neighbor’s wife [edited by Ken Seeroi because it was too embarrassing even for him]. No joke: http://thelanguagedojo.com/2010/12/pick-culture-language-2/

    • Making people blush on the other side of the planet is all in a day’s work.

      Anyway, there’s definitely a huge difference between enjoying a culture on a surface level (I can’t speak the language, but look at these crazy new foods and neon lights everywhere!) and actually integrating into the system (working/living there). The first time I vacationed in Korea I had the best month of my life; the second time, when I worked as a teacher, I was ready to explode. The third time, when I worked at a youth hostel, I had the time of my life again (it was essentially a free three-month vacation). The first and third times I relied on English 95% of the time, but still made tons of amazing new friends and went on all sorts of crazy adventures.

      It’s natural to want to learn a language, but sometimes we’re blinded to what integrating into the system really means, until it’s too late. That’s my two cents.

      If you’ll excuse me, I gotta run; my neighbor’s wife is at the door.

      • Yeah, I always say that if I ever move to another country, the first thing I’m going to do is not learn the language. And yeah, I’m talking to you, Thailand.

        Gotta keep that fresh-off-the-plane feeling as long as possible.

  8. As someone that’s been living here for two years now, you’ve raised some really interesting points in this article (sorry — long time lurker, first time poster!). I felt myself nodding a lot as I read further and further along.

    However, often when I read your advice and impressions of certain experiences, I feel like some of those things don’t apply in other parts of Japan. I know that everyone has a different experience here, but a lot of what you write about definitely applies to someone living/working in Tokyo/urban areas, but not in other inaka areas.

    I’m living in Akita, in the top part of Tohoku and whilst many things are definitely written in English here, it can be a challenge for foreigners (though why people would head up here in the first place is their own fault ;)).

    When you say the architecture/nature is not so great, where are you comparing it to? I think the natural scenery here is breathtaking, and I’ve visited many places in Japan! Do I sense a little jaded-ness in your views of J-land?

    • Thanks for writing, seriously. Jaded? Who, me? Chinese statues pale by comparison. So yeah, you’re right, my impressions of Japan vary depending upon where I’m at, who I met three hours ago, whether it’s cloudy right now, and how long its been since my last onigiri. So there’s a lot of ways of looking at things, even within my own mind. I just try to be real and hit some of the high and low points, with the hope that somehow things balance out in the middle.

      Now, with you living up in Akita and me down here, whoa, we’re barely even in the same country. I think Tokyo’s got more in common with New York City than it does with Akita. Maybe the crazy stuff I write applies to Japan in a lot of places, but I’m not sure it covers all the forest hobbits and mountain people you’ve got up there. Please tell me you’ve at least got a few Starbucks. That’s a coffee shop, by the way.

      So in terms of the Japanese language, I think it makes sense to do a bit of cost-benefit analysis. But no doubt its usefulness increases in proportion to one’s distance from indoor plumbing. And if someone wants to go down the path I (and presumably you) did, then more power to them.

  9. Humorous, but, Interesting article. Thanks. I don’t know how long you’ve been in Japan but I am now going into my 31st year here. Prior to that I majored and graduated in Japanese language studies at the University of Hawaii while resident in Honolulu. A couple things I have observed and come to learn over the years since living in Japan, the more Japanese you speak, read, write, comprehend, etc., the more the psychological barriers go up. The other point is, the more Japanese you learn and understand, and the more you attempt to acculturate and assimilate yourself into Japanese society, the more you will be accepted into the system…. is way off in left field and incorrect thinking. Once a ‘gaijin’ (lit. outside person) always a gaijin. We make friends on an individual basis and I do have them. But society at large… aside from superficial surface level acceptance, trying to get under their skin… into their infrastructure, you ARE, and always WILL, be that ‘outside person’….. outside of what? That social bubble to which the ‘gaijin’ does not belong. Thus 「外人で属しないはず」The 「我々日本人」factor you will always be confronted with. Try to get a job as a taxi driver, or work for one of the rail lines, or acquire a position in local politics. Try to avoid the ‘complex’ factor, even if you acquire citizenship (should you be so lucky (or desirous))

    If I had the opportunity to take a time trip to the past and redo things, and if I knew then what I know now, I never would have studied Japanese. But, it was a practical thing to do in those days working for the airline industry in a prime tourist destination, and, in consideration of tourism from Japan to Hawaii was #2 after North America. But, every thing is cause and affect. I DID in fact study it, and DID in fact move to Japan without any in depth knowledge of the society on a daily basis. Now that I am here and have acquired the skills and the exposure over the years, one must use the talents, knowledge, skills one acquires and exploit them to one’s own advantage. Having knowledge of Japanese language has paid off in various ways over the years I think though it will be in variance compared to what a newbie will find these days, wanting to come to Japan for the first time to ‘trip out’ on the far east without any in depth insight what they will get into.

    • 31 years, crikey. I actually had the chance to move to Japan around that time, and chose not to, because I didn’t think I’d like the food. Then 20 years later, I came back because of the food. Life’s ironic like that.

      Even before finally moving here in 2008, I’d often heard the mantra, “You’ll NEVER be accepted into Japanese society.” But hey, Ken Seeroi scoffs at naysayers. That’d never apply to him, what with his charm, language skills, and stunning good looks and all.

      So maybe I was a little bit . . . let’s not say wrong. Let’s just say, “mistaken.” That’s better. I also never considered what being an outsider would mean in practical terms, when it came to making friends or getting along at work. And now it actually seems like the longer I’m here, and the better my Japanese becomes, the less I fit in. At least when you’re fresh off the plane, people know how to deal with you. The speak pidgin English and help you put on your slippers the right way. But once you know your way around and can manage the language, they don’t know what the hell to do. I mean, Japan’s still a good place, but the people, eh, kinda triflin’ sometimes.

      At any rate, I’d be interested in your perceptions of how Japan’s changed over the years. A lot of old-timers speak fondly of “the ’90s,” when salaries were higher and there was a brighter outlook for the future, or such is my understanding.

  10. Hey Ken, I’d like to ask you a question about learning Japanese.

    I’ve done the entire Pimsleurs comprehensive system, I’ve gone about half way through Rosetta Stone (…never again…), I’ve gone through RTK1, taken up using an SRS, spent countless hours listening to Japanese audio, watching untranslated Japanese TV, trying to read sentences, and I feel I have very little to show for it.

    I’ve read that people who are good at identifying patterns are also good at learning language. This is interesting because I suck at identifying patterns. Consequently, whenever watching/listening to something in Japanese, my brain seems to think it would be a better idea to start thinking about English things rather than listening closely.

    I guess I’m on my own to figure that out, but either way, I was wondering, how did you go from having a promising beginning to being fluent? Like, during the long haul of being intermediate, what did you consistently do to bootstrap your way to fluency, or at least to an advanced stage?

    I believe you once mentioned how you felt about 90% of people who say they’re going to learn Japanese eventually give up. I think I’ve passed the point where the first 80% fall off, and nearing the part where the last of the 90% give up. What I’d like to know is how you got past that point, and became a part of the 10% that did make it all the way through.

    Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks! 🙂

    • I feel you, I really do. Years ago, I did the whole Pimsleur program, and Rosetta Stone (which I felt was pretty good, actually), and just about every other package you’ve ever heard of, and I was in roughly the same place you are. I think a whole lot of people end up in that boat.

      Which is why this is such a great question. I’ll write the next post about this. Probably. Nah, I will. Well, almost certainly. Anyway, thanks for the inspiration.

  11. “And every time you speak Japanese, people will say, “Oh, your Japanese is so good.” And then they’ll try to speak English with you. You can say the most profound thing ever in Japanese, make the funniest joke, talk about the earth being taken over by space robots, whatever—and all you’ll get back is “Heeeeey.” – this response probably indicates that what you said made no sense to the people listening and they just responded as best they could. Or what you said was just KY.

    ” English is a pretty upbeat language; Japanese, eh, not so much.” I think this is just a matter of not having mastered Japanese.

    ” Contrary to many countries that demand you speak the local language, Japan sometimes seems to prefer you don’t speak Japanese.” This is only ever the case if your Japanese is so awful even the native’s broken English is easier to communicate in. Only a very tiny minority of people here can express themselves eloquently in English.

    If more westerners here actually competed with the Chinese/Korean/etc. immigrants in terms of Japanese ability and actually tried to integrate with the local culture without having preconceptions, they might realize there’s a lot more opportunities here for them than just teaching English and a real possibility for them to not be on the outside of society. It’s a wonder how westerners have a good reputation here. Can you imagine how any minority group that didn’t bother attaining fluency in English would be treated in any western country?

    • Agreed. It’s amazing that Westerners get along so well despite their lack of Japanese abilities, and get treated as well as they do. On the other hand, there is definitely a push-back against a person who looks non “Japanese” trying to integrate too far. Even people who grew up in this country suffer from it.

  12. This was exaggeratedly negative.
    Probably one of the reasons to learn Japanese is not to ‘get laid’ but to get a decent and reserved Japanese girlfriend. So your constant reference to ‘getting laid’ is probably a reflection of your sexual frustration and not the frustration a person seeking something different may experience.
    Japanese do not have coitus fortuitously like having dinner is for the USA standards, unless they have been baptised with the western-liberal hegemony.

    Your appeals to popularity also become weary after a while. Is popularity all you are aiming at in life?
    Have you been watching and influenced too much by sitcoms, TV publicity spots and reality shows from the USA?
    They are talking back to you in English because they want to practice their English as well. It is called a cultural exchange. Why do you believe to be privileged to practice your Japanese, but they shouldn’t possess the right to practice their English?
    The fact that you live in Japan does not turn you into a native Japanese. They are curious about your culture as much as you are curious about them.

    Japanese are also very advanced in robotics, software engineering and high-tech agriculture. Let alone all the videogames and manga that captivates the youngsters. That is reason enough.

    Students should carry a portable mp3 player and listen to Japanese all day if they are outside of Japan. It is much faster that way.

    • “This was exaggeratedly negative.”

      Seems a tad ironic, but okay.

      As for popularity, it’s certainly not all I’m aiming for in life. I’d also like to be rich and thin. Actually, that would probably make me popular. I gotta go on a diet. Oh, why is food so delicious?

    • Hey Carlos,

      You must be really secure sitting up in your ivory tower. I guess you never read any good, funny and ribald stories, which is why you come off as a narrow-minded snobbish prick. I happen to love ken’s satirical viewpoints and use of hyperbole to poke fun at himself and others, while you obviously can’t relate to the common man. Good luck trying to understand the world, before you become a priggish buffoon.

      • You crack me up, Bud. “Priggish buffoon?” I love it—that’s right up there with “Die, octopus.”

        But it’s all good. I understand that everyone has a point of view, and sometimes people don’t agree with me. And that’s okay, although I would like comments to stay polite. But then I’d also like to have more closet space and faucet that runs hot and cold beer. So I guess I want a lot of things. Hopefully Santa will be bring me a sack of money. That would solve all my problems.

        • Ya know Ken; I just wanted you to know that this guy was not right in the mind. So I looked him up a little and

          [Edited out by Ken Seeroi. Sorry.]

          He posted this on: http://www.criminalwisdom.com/hysterical-literature-the-orgasm-as-art/ , so I thought Priggish buffoon was most apropos. Anyone that uses four names definitely has an identity problem!!

          Don’t let people like this poser discourage you Ken, just write your book and I’m sure you will have success. You have a gift; this blog is proof of that and it’s a great start for a book about something you know a lot about: JAPAN. I still think “Gaijin Decoded” is the perfect title and your blog here is a perfect starting point for writing about what a gaijin is and can expect in Japan. You could even collaborate with zooming (Jasmine) if you needed someone with extremely good organizational skills. BTW, after viewing her photographs, her visual senses are extraordinary and might come in handy if you wish to illustrate your book. She thinks like an architect and has exceptional 3D awareness. Zooming’s web site reminds me of the German Scientists I used to work with at NASA: very precise and punctual and extremely competent (and she’s very creative). What she lacks is in story telling, which you have in spades, so maybe you can benefit one another…. hmmmmm!

          • Hi Bud,

            You’ve always been incredibly supportive, and you’ve got a great sense of humor. Thank you, really.

            I have to apologize for editing out your example of Carlos’ writing, but I want to minimize the negativity and not incite some sort of flame war. I left the link in case anybody’s really interested. I don’t want to start any personal attacks between readers. Those aimed at me, well, that’s another matter. I put stuff out there for the whole world to read, and sometimes it’s a wee bit controversial, so I suppose I have to expect a certain amount of blowback. Still, I hope people will be polite, advance the discussion, and ask questions rather than just flat-out arguing. Guess I’ll hope for world peace while I’m at it too. And a Beermeister. Man, that’d look pretty sweet on my balcony.

            You’re certainly right about Zooming Japan. Jasmine has wonderful photos and great organizational skills, as well as being a good writer in her own right. We’d probably make a great team. I anxiously await her marriage proposal, which I’m sure is coming any day.

  13. Thanks for the article Ken,
    I think before getting to the point of my comment, I just want to say that I’m a dumb high school kid about to go to community college. So I really don’t have much insight on anything, especially college or the practicality of foreign languages. I think the reason why learning Japanese suddenly came back up in mind is because I was curious about learning guitar a few years back and now that I am learning it I’m glad I took a class. I feel maybe the same thing might happen with Japanese, but I’m 100% sure that comparing learning an instrument and learning a language is unfair. I took French and Spanish in high school and disliked them. I think what’s driving me to learn the language is curiosity. My curiosity isn’t a burning passion but a rather naive one. When you say just learning a little Japanese is good, it encouraged me to take a year and see how it goes. You’re right it’s what you give up and what you get in return.

    Sorry for such a long comment, I like how you have experience learning the language and living in Japan too. The article is as honest as it gets.

    • I think it’s great that you’re motivated to learn Japanese. A friend of mine once told me, “All knowledge is useful,” and that’s always stuck with me. Everything you learn eventually becomes a piece of who you are, and helps you grow as a person.

      I found a lot of parallels between learning the guitar and learning Japanese. Both are relatively easy to do poorly, and incredibly hard to do well. But maybe that’s anything. Certainly they both require a lot of dedication and practice.

      I also took French and Spanish in high school and college, and didn’t like them. What’s weird though is now, I’m tempted to go back and re-learn them. After Japanese, they’d be a piece of cake. Anyone who tells you there aren’t easier and harder languages is either a fool or lying.

      Anyway, good luck with your studies, and let me know how it goes.

  14. I’ve been learning for 7 years, I guess I should stop because of this post.

    • Well, everybody needs a hobby.

      You know, I’ve been at it for over ten years, and at this rate it’ll probably be another decade before I can read what’s printed on the side of my box of laundry detergent. Pretty sure it has something to do with soap though. And possibly clothes, but I can’t be certain.

      So if I were thinking about picking up the language, and I read “7 years” or “over ten,” I’d be like Holy Eff, that’s a lot of time.

      So I’m not trying to discourage anyone, but people ought to really think about this, because there’s a lot of things you could learn, or do, with that time that might be more useful or beneficial.

      On the other hand, well, everyone needs a hobby, and pursuing anything with dedication is admirable. So if Japanese is your thing, then great, more power to you. Certainly learning Japanese is better than watching TV and eating potato chips all day, although that does sound delicious now that I think about it. I’ve enjoyed learning the language myself. It is fun, in its own way, and it’s a big part of my life. It has opened some doors in Japan, although perhaps it’s closed others, but still, holy eff, it’s taken a lot of time.

    • YES: You should stop “Si…” (I’ll just name you Sigh-sama) because 7 is a lucky number, so don’t risk 8 years! If you can’t read between the lines of this post, you’ll never understand Japanese anyway – ‘Cause they are so inscrutable’!!

  15. hey ken, Im here again ahaha before I start sorry again for my rip English . So yeah I really fucked up now.
    I dont know what to do, where do I start. I really really want to learn Japanese because I want to enter a
    Senior Highschool next year but here I am just killin time and I hate it Because Im just wasting my time
    reading craps on fb. Dude please I need some advice on how to do this thing

    Thanks in Advance
    Happy Holidays 🙂

  16. Hi,

    Interesting thread. I have been learning Japanese for 3 or 4 years (I lose track). My progress is painfully slow but I really enjoy the sense of achievement. I also know some Spanish and Korean and have developed a reputation as ‘language guy’ amongst my friends and colleagues.

    I really like the sense of community and humour on this site.

    • When I think about studying Japanese, the first two words that come to mind are “painful” and “slow.” So that sounds about right. But I agree, there’s a gratifying sense of achievement, albeit one that’s painfully slow. But gratifying nonetheless.

  17. I’ve recently been dreaming about language learning. Many famous philosophers/scholars could read/write Latin, Ancient Greek, Sanskrit and numerous modern languages.

  18. What do you think about learning Japanese simply as a fan of Japanese anime, manga, and visual novels? Especially with VNs, I’ve heard that learning to read Japanese has a lot of benefits (since apparently very few of them are translated).

    I always have seen Japanese culture as amazing, only through the eyes of anime and manga. I don’t much wish to live or work there. I don’t know anyone or have friends that speak Japanese. This would be purely for my #1 hobby.

    What would you say to learning Japanese for these reasons?

    Honestly subtitles never bothered me. As long as I hear the Japanese voices (even though I don’t understand what they’re saying), their emotion, style, and pitch are all I need to understand the character’s personalities. It’s a strange phenomenon when it comes to Japanese voice actors. I’ve come to love and respect that style and emotion in voice acting so much that American voice actors are just plain boring now.

    • I think it’s a fine reason for learning Japanese. The only thing I’d say is, set a goal, and understand what it’s going to take to reach it.

      In your case, you want to read, so it’s realistically going to take you several years of steady work. If you’re okay with that, then party on.

  19. Hi Ken, I hope everything is well. This is the second time I read this post. The first time I read it a few weeks ago, I was actually crushed. See, I always had this desire to learn Japanese because I wanted to be able to understand untranslated manga and anime. So some years ago, I started buying those little grammar books and dictionaries. I also printed Japanese lessons off of the Internet. I didn’t consider taking Japanese lessons then because I was still in school (high school to be exact) and school was priority. Anyway, fast forward to the present. I already graduated from college and am now working. I saved up enough to afford enrolling in up to two semesters of Japanese lessons in a local language institute (there’s a total of 6 modules in that school I think). Sadly, I don’t think it’s still good idea to still pursue it. I have not yet enrolled but I do study on my own using Pimsleur and Anki. I am ashamed to admit that I do not have any solid routine. I just study when I feel like it.

    I’ve been reading your blog (from the very first post in 2008!) and I’ve come to a lot of realizations especially on the pursuit of learning Japanese. All your posts about studying the language made me assess my own reasons in attempting to do. I think that your analogy on baking is spot on. I don’t want to start something which I might eventually give up. There’s already tons of fansubbed anime and scanlated manga so it is probably best to just be content with those. My reason for learning, I realize, is a bit superficial.

    My dream of working in Japan is another reason I wanted to learn. I thought that being proficient in Japanese would make it possible for me do so. But as what l have learned from you,it is not necessary to be able to speak Japanese to work and survive in Japan. That gives me hope at least.

    I am seriously learning a LOT from your site. I am sure a lot of people does. The information I get here made me reconsider some of my major life decisions. Thank you for coming up with great articles all the time. I love every single one of them. I read all the comments too. Your site is an excellent resource for anyone interested in Japan.

    Oh, this is already a very long comment. Sorry about that. I really just want to express my gratitude.

    You’re amazing Ken Seeroi. Please keep on writing. I love you!

    • Careful, you’re only reinforcing my already overinflated sense of self-worth. But thanks, seriously.

      You know, I used to be a marathon runner. And that was pretty rewarding, but it also took up a tremendous amount of time, and in retrospect, may not have been all that healthy. I feel a lot better now just going out for 30 minutes three times a week. It also frees up time for drinking beer and eating potato chips. So now I’m much healthier. Well, whatever.

      But anywhere, where was I? Oh yeah, so that’s kind of how I feel about studying Japanese. I mean, it’s a pretty heavy hobby, you know? I’ve probably put in 10,000 hours over the years. Not that it isn’t useful—but there’s a lot one could do with that time. Like run marathons, for example.

      Anyway, learning Japanese is a great use of your free time, assuming you’ve got no job, no friends, and are perhaps serving a lengthy prison sentence. For people who actually have a life, eh, I’m not so sure. But anyway, thanks for reading. Love you too.

  20. Hey, I wanted to thank you for opening my eyes a bit to the reality of learning a new language. I recently started learning Japanese, no longer than 3 months ago, and it has been something I do frequently next to playing music and working out and gaming. Until recently my only motivation was anime which some friends recently got me into, but I started expanding after I read a few articles and comments and found some Japanese natives near where I live to talk to. Like you said, the language itself has very little uses outside of Japan so I thought giving it some use would help me stay into it and not feel as a waste of my precious youth. The people I talk to really are just in need of learning English but I figured that I could learn a bit from them so I can better understand and be more resourceful to others that I meet. I haven’t done any in person communication, just by e-mails and text, but will get there.

    Again, just wanted to thank you for your attitude and inspiring me to go all in or all out, which I feel applies to a lot more than just language.. Oh, and that sense of humor is awesome, never gets old.

    • Wow, recently so many nice comments—did the internet change and I missed something?

      Thanks so much for your input. You said a couple of things that I think are really pertinent. First, learning Japanese helps tremendously when serving as a resource to those learning English. Anyone who aspires to be a language teacher should spend some time learning the language of his or her students. Not only will you understand what they do and don’t know, but you’ll further appreciate just how freaking hard it is.

      The other thing you mentioned, about better understanding people, really rings true. Unfortunately, this requires a much larger (read, “massive”) commitment, but the truth is you’ll never understand Japanese people until you’re able to speak their language at a fairly high level. When Japanese people speak English, they’re one person, but when they speak Japanese, they’re somebody else entirely. And you will be too, for better or worse. To be honest, it’s actually probably for the worse, and that’s one of the bummers about learning Japanese. Not exactly the funnest language on the planet, in case you haven’t noticed. But it is intellectually challenging, if you’re into that kind of stuff, so that’s something.

  21. Is it really that tedious? 0.0 Maybe I have a slight advantage… First, I’m chinese so pronounciation is not really an issue… (Korean just makes my mouth melt into putty though…) Second, I’m a huge anime fan… So I can pretty much listen to any japanese person talk and I can get the gist of what they are saying. I don’t know if thus sorta stuff would help… I know pronounciation and stuff was difficult for many people. Just from the people around me trying to speak chinese…

    Well, also I started learning it recently from a freeapp called Learn Japanese -Hiragana,Katakana… Etc. I don’t know if it’s a good or accurate app for a someone like me… Any idea?

  22. I might come to Japan for masters degree for only reason that I love the culture I mean stuff animes project it differently to me(I binge watched my teen romantic comedy is wrong as I expected season 2 (snafu).. Read your two articles for more than 50 mins and almost half of comments here. It seems like a challenge and I think I will take it cuz experience over everything else. That said I will learn basic terms from today onwards kinda do some research(your article helps a lot). And devote 40 mins to it daily.. My biggest concern is will watching anime get boring somehow? Also if you can reccomend easy online gateways.. Like your facilities website for a headstart. Some routines etc.. I love your opinions

    • 40 minutes a day is a reasonable investment. Unfortunately, I’m afraid it won’t be enough to give you a significant command of the language. So you’d either need to be okay with that—which is fine—or you’d need to up your time commitment. If you’re looking for online resources, I’d search for an online teacher and sign up for some classes, in addition to vigorously pursuing your own studies.

      If you look at the Index of Articles, the ones tagged with “Learning Japanese” should provide you some additional guidance. All of it brilliant, of course.

  23. I think that I may disagree with the article here. I live in Los Angeles and there are places where a person can practice using Japanese notably at Little Tokyo and Little Osaka. I am currently learning Japanese, but I only want to visit Japan a few times in my lifetime. I have studied Spanish for more than 20 years and I wanted to learn another language that contrasted sharply with Spanish, so I chose Japanese. I would really prefer to visit a Spanish country over Japan except a few places in Japan that I want to visit. The point was to learn the contrasts between Spanish and Japanese. That’s why I decided to learn it. Further there may be some loopholes to some of the reasons given such as mnemonics regarding the Kanji and the Michel Thomas program and Learn-in-Your-Car program cover most of the language and are rather inexpensive.

    Here is what I suggest though: Learn a more useful language such as Spanish or French first and then take up Japanese and it will be made much easier to learn.

    Finally, to Ken Seeroi, thank you for your insightful article. While I differ, it was quite thoughtful and really appreciate it.

    • I fully agree, learn a more useful language like French or Spanish first, not just because you can use it in far more places, but because it’s much easier for English speakers.

      I fully agree with Ken that a little Japanese is great to learn, but the full deal is a long slog, littered with the abandoned packs of those who gave up along the way.

    • Thanks much. I hear you too. If you want to learn Japanese, by all means, knock yourself out.

      A lot of people learn Japanese because, well, just because they want to. And that’s cool. I want to sit around in my underpants drinking beer all day too. But if somebody said, Hey, there’s something better you could do with your time, yeah, I’d have to acknowledge that sentiment. Still, if I enjoy it, that’s what I’m gonna do.

      With Japanese, it takes a decade of dedicated study to get even halfway decent, and even then people will treat you like a space alien if you don’t look, you know, “Asian.” Now, is there something better you could do with those ten years? That’s all I’m asking.

      • I personally studied for about 3 years on my own, then moved to Japan. After around 1 year in Japan, I became fluent. Now that I think about it, my reason for starting to study the language was basically non-existent. Still a better activity than watching TV I guess.

      • I really don’t understand why you make it sound like> learning japanese = wasting your whole life on it.

        I started learning japanese when I was 12 and it’s been 11 years ever since, and not even once have I felt like I’ve sacrificed my social life or the opportunity to learn other things because of it.

        Sure, when I tell people I’ve been at it for over 10 years they’re always like “Wow, that’s a huge amount of time!”, but the funny thing is it doesn’t feel that long for me, and I think it’s because I really enjoy learning japanese, I’ve always had a genuine interest in it. It’s been one of my favorite hobbies and the time I’ve spent on it, for me, has been time well spent .

        Also, I’m of the opinion that anything you undertake in life is going to demand time and dedication from you. Sure, I could have spent all those hours of japanese study doing “something more rewarding” but the thing is learning japanese IS rewarding for me, and I didn’t have to give anything up for it.

        My japanese level is currently high enough to understand tv series and movies without subs. I went over the 1000 kanji a long time ago, and yet, I still keep coming across a LOT of unknown vocabulary whenever I pick a book or a magazine, especially if it has academic content.

        Yes, learning japanese is frustrating. Yes, it seems like an impossible task to accomplish.
        And, YES, I’m fully aware that I’ll need at least another 10 years before I can confidently say: “Hey, I can speak japanese”. But, guess what? I don’t mind because I love it. Maybe if people stopped trying to work out how much money they’re going to get from their japanese or how many people they’re going to impress with it, maybe then the percentage of people dropping their japanese studies would decrease significantly.

        • Thanks for writing in, and that’s a good comment. I enjoy studying Japanese too. But it’s important to make a distinction between things we enjoy and things that are good ideas. Just because I like it doesn’t mean it’s objectively a smart thing to do.

          Now, if you’re confident you’ll live 1,000 years, then yeah, spending 20 on Japanese is no big deal. But I mean, wow, Prince was 57 when he died. Michael Jackson, 50. So maybe we might only manage two or three big things our entire lives. If Japanese is the hill you want to die on, then okay, cool. I chose that path too, and here in Japan, it’s brought me about as much pain as pleasure. So, maybe just call that a wash.

          But is it the best course of action? Well, let’s think—what else might a person do? Honestly, the best thing I ever did was to get a Master’s degree, so that’s an easy one to recommend. It only took two years, I learned a ton, and it’s helped me immensely in my life here in Japan. Far more than having learned Japanese.

          So yeah, it’s probably better than smoking heroin, but I’m still not convinced that there isn’t something that’s more useful, profitable, or fun. So objectively, I’d say find that thing, and do that.

          • No offense, but you sound like you’re 80 or about to die. So, you’ve spent a lot of time learning japanese, so what? You still managed to get a Master’s degree which has proved really useful to you. Now, supposing you’re not actually 80, you still have a lot of years ahead (not everyone dies at 50), so if you’re feeling kind of frustrated why not spend those years doing something you find more meaningful?

            Now, you say you enjoy learning japanese so I think that should be reason enough to be happy about all those hours you’ve spent on it. Not everything we learn in life has to be profitable or “useful”. At least you can read and understand any book or magazine you buy. And more importantly, you can understand people. Just think of all those foreigners who spend years in Japan having no idea of the language. How can they live like that? Which takes me to my next point…

            A lot of people get old and die without ever learning anything different from what they do in their jobs so I don’t see the harm in trying to learn something new even if it’s practically useless.

            With all that said, I still don’t understand why you make it sound like learning japanese is such a big sacrifice. You talk of people waking up at 4 and spending more than 5 hours a day studying, but, personally, I haven’t experienced any of that. Quite on the contrary, I think my learning process has been pretty sporadic since it was my choice and not an obligation. I had to learn english and french for school and college so japanese was always the last option set aside for whenever I had any free time.

            I’m not saying japanese is easy to learn. It’s actually really, really difficult and I still have a lot of trouble with it but it’s not like you have to waste your whole life learning it. Of the 10+ years I’ve been studying japanese, I’ve wasted more time watching Tv ad movies than actually studying japanese.

            And anyway, for most people, learning japanese is something of a fad. Most of them are teenagers crazy about anime who take a few classes and then give up. Let’s just hope they find something better to do with their time.

          • By the way, thank you for replying to comments.
            It’s really nice of you considering the article it’s from 2013.

  24. I don’t care. I will still study and master the language. Will get myself to stay in Japan one day as a PR. If not, I’ll just study said language so I can understand Japanese live action TV series like Super Sentai, Anime, Manga and Japanese exclusive video games.

  25. I’ve been watching anime for maybe 7 years nows and it’s amazing how much Japanese I can understand without the subtitles. I hate learning to speak languages so this is just the result of learning via “the baby way” I don’t know how to speak it or even understand the words it’s more like a feeling that translates it. Kinda like when you see a car and you know it’s a car because everyone else around you calls it a car, but it reverse. You hear a word or phrase and you know what’s it means because the subtiles always translated it as that. (Finding patterns and applying it to everything else I guess) Feeling and expression is also a huge part of it too.
    I also seem to do the same thing with Spanish but when a non native try’s to speak Spanish I can’t understand it as well because the lack of expression i think.
    Now that I think about it I’m not good at even understanding my mother tongue vocally. But that might just be a mental disability for me.
    P.s. My brain is always spouting nonsense, so I never you if the translations are right or not. Just the other day I thought my naighbor’s dog was a boy named buster ( girl named Sidney)but it was wrong. Can’t trust those gut feelings you know?

    • That’s right. Maybe the test would be to blindly pick a random 10-minute anime segment that you haven’t seen and listen to it without looking at the screen. Because I know what you mean, it’s easy to get that “gut feeling” that you understand things.

      Not that that’s bad, but it’s a bit vague, right? If you try translating the dialog, that’ll give you a pretty excellent indication of just how amazing your understanding is.

    • You know, I’d actualy be really interested in knowing “how much” japanese you can really understand.

      I hope you’re not like one of my friends who, after watching dozens of anime, claims he can understand japanese just because he recognizes phrases like “chotto matte” or “ohayou gozaimasu”.

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